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Should content from the User's and Reference manual be incorporated into this site? Then in the content pages, one could reference a section of Walter's manuals.
== New ==
--[[User:Saper|Saper]] 22:54, 16 Feb 2005 (CST)
* Due to wiki code (or my inability) I couldn't get images to float left/right in the table w/o it looking really ugly.  So, if someone can get say the Colorama example to float right and look good, please do.


Saper, I had considered that.  I was going to strip out all the commands from PyMol and make a "commands" page where people could flush in some contentMaybe we'd be better off starting with page-by-page inserting PyMol commands into the wiki. (?)
* Let me know if you like the updates to the main page.  I like it because it utilizes more of the screen real estate. Thus, no scrolling (for me).  If you can clean it up, and make it prettier, feel free. [[User:Inchoate|Tree]] 17:08, 9 December 2007 (CST)
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[[User:Tree|Tree]] 00:12, 17 Feb 2005 (CST)


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*So, I found out, finally, why it's been hard to find things. Category pages aren't scanned for keywords for searching. So, we'll need to move our category pages' text to new pages and make the links. For example, searching for "mencoder" didn't work before today.  Since I moved <nowiki>[[:Category:Software_Movies]]</nowiki> to '''Making_Movies''' we can now search for the keywords in that page.
From Luca Jovine:
I apologize for being late, but... how about a section about nucleic acids? As in any other related program, they always end up being the poor siblings of proteins (I can't believe PyMOL's  cartoon command still does not recognise the most common 5' and 3' nucleotides!), and I'm pretty sure people who work with them would benefit from such a section in the Wiki.
Thanks,
""


Where should we put the Nucleic Acids Stuff?
*Well, one idiot/spammer made it through the new system. If there's an influx of the idiots, we may go back to the old registration method, as that seemed pretty secure.


[[User:Tree|Tree]]
* Feature Request: Support for 3D DLP and plasma HDTVs. These require a different stereo output format (checkerboard.) Feel free to contact me for details. --[[User:Martyholloway|Martyholloway]] 17:46, 30 May 2008 (CDT)


For NA's - at the moment, the most appropriate location seems to be "Modeling and Editing". But perhaps we should add a special section devoted to types of molecules? ie/small molecules (like fatty acids, ligands, etc), nucleic acids, proteins, nucleic-acid/protein complexes, large macromolecules (ie/ribosome). I'm sure people have tips on how best to represent and work with each. Scale always seems to be an important factor when thinking of display details.
== Some Thoughts For Discussion ==
--TheDude
* Folks, please check out the section [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Gallery_of_images MediaWiki Image Galleries] for cleaning up the code for  inserting more than one image. This fixes the problem of having to insert tons of blank lines to cleanly offset the following text.  So, if you have some time, please head back to old pages and help clean this up.


== Organizing PyMol Commands ==
* We need to accurately document settings for PyMol.  This would greatly improve the value of the site.  We should also provide images and examples.


Due to the inherent ambiguity of wiki naming, we have come up with a way to categorize the naming/sorting of PyMol commands.
* For people (like me) who don't know the first thing about Wiki's, more "newbies click here to learn" links would help ease the transition...


Since PyMol has two types of commands: command script as Warren calls it; and, the API we will separate the two by the following convention.


Command Script commands page names will be "CmdScript COMMANDNAME" and will be in the category called, "CmdScript". The API naming will be similar, but we don't have to worry about namespace collisions b/c that's already been taken care of by Warren in that he has differen library names, viz "cmd" and "util" and whatnotSo an API command will be "LIBRARYNAME.COMMANDNAME" and will be in the category "API COMMANDS".
==Where is the anti-spam mechanism/strategy?==
Manual removing spam contents really sucks.
----
Edit by AdShea
One good strategy is to search all namespaces for 'http' (without the quotes)This will show links containing that string, which should catch any spam links.


Lastly, make sure you add the category text at the bottom of each page as needed.  If you're adding to the CmdScript then put this at the bottom
== Needed Editing ==
<pre>
[[Category:CmdScript COMMANDNAME|COMMANDNAME]]
</pre>
If for some library put
<pre>
[[Category:API|API]]
[[Category:LIBRARYNAME|FUNCTIONAME]]
</pre>


This will allow us to keep track of all CmdScripts in one category, and also allow us to keep categories of individual Libraries and ALL API commands as well.  Very cool.
Needed edits are the following:


=== Examples ===
# We need more thorough "See Also" sections on each page.  [[Mesh]] shows what each page should look like.  People need to be able to find their content easily.
See [[CmdScript.center]]
## After some playing with this, I think we should create categories for each SET of settings.  Like, "surface_settings" and then just put all the surface settings in there.  Then, we can simply link out to this page and it'll change dynamically with the settings.
# We need to continue linking categories to their respective pages.
# More images should be uploaded for the settings changes so people can ''see'' what the settings do as well as read how to control them.


See [[Cmd.center]]
== Searching ==


[[User:Tree|Tree]] 15:02, 19 Feb 2005 (CST)
The default method for searching, eg hitting ENTER, should be the "Search" command not the "Go" command.


* The search function is abysmal. If I type in "shadow" I get nothing. If I go to google and type in "site:pymolwiki.org shadow" I get both of the pages for ray-trace shadows which is what I wanted ("Ray Shadow" and "Ray Shadows"). I assume that there are two entries because of the poor search function. Just do what Wikipedia does and offer a google search of the site if the search function comes up empty-handed (Wikipedia does search the text of it's articles correctly but the google offer includes all languages). [[User:MortenGroftehauge|MortenGroftehauge]] ([[User talk:MortenGroftehauge|talk]]) 14:53, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


For CmdScript, wouldn't it make more sense to do
== New Format ==
<pre> [[Category:CmdScript]]
Code for the new page
[[Category:COMMANDNAME]]</pre>
--[[User:Jcorn|Jcorn]] 18:20, 19 Feb 2005 (CST)


==Quote==
However, a good Wiki needs to be structured beforehand, rather than having
everything grow by itself. Users will add things where aproppriate, anyway.
Thus, in a heavily used Wiki its definitely easy to get lost.


== Go! ==
__NOTOC__
Please add content!  Sorry for not removing that text!


[[User:Tree|Tree]] 00:47, 18 Feb 2005 (CST)
{| align="center" style="padding-bottom: 4em;"
|+ style="font-size:210%; font-weight: bold; color:#032d45; text-align:center; padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 7px" | Welcome to the PyMOL Wiki!
|- style="text-align:center; font-weight:bold; color: #6d6003; font-size: 140%; font-style: italic; font-family: serif;"
| The community-run support site for the [http://pymol.org PyMOL] molecular viewer.
|}
 
{| align="center" width="45%" style="background: #EDEBD5; margin-bottom: 4em; border-bottom: 1px solid #AFB29E; border-left: 1px solid #AFB29E; border-right: 1px solid #AFB29E;"
|+ style="font-size: 1.4em; font-weight: bold; color: #032d45; text-align:center; background: #5F7F96; padding-top:0.5em; padding-bottom: 0.25em; border-top: 2px solid #AFB29E; border-bottom: 1px solid #fff;" |Quick Links
|-
| style="font-size: 1.1em; color #61021F; padding: 0.5em 1em 0.5em 3em;"|'''[[:Category:Tutorials|Tutorials]]''' || '''[[TOPTOC|Table of Contents]]''' || '''[[:Category:Commands|Commands]]'''
|-
| style="font-size: 1.1em; color #61021F; padding: 0.5em 1em 0.5em 3em;"|'''[[:Category:Script_Library|Script Library]]''' || '''[[:Category:Plugins|Plugins]]''' || '''[[:Category:FAQ|FAQ]]'''
|-
| style="font-size: 1.1em; color #61021F; padding: 0.5em 1em 0.5em 3em;"|'''[[Gallery]]''' | '''[[Covers]]'''
||'''[[CheatSheet|PyMOL Cheat Sheet]]''' (''[[Media:PymolRef.pdf|PDF]]'')
||'''[[GoogleSearch]]'''
|}
 
 
{| width="100%"
| style="vertical-align: top; width: 40%" |
{| class="jtable" style="float: left; width: 90%;"
|+ style="font-size: 1.4em; font-weight: bold; text-align:left; border-bottom: 2px solid #6678b1;" | News &amp; Updates
|-
! Warren
| News about Warren DeLano's passing may be read on [[Warren|Warren's memorial page]].
|-
! PyMOLWiki
| Reformatted Main Page.
|-
! PyMOLWiki
| New &mdash; Search the PyMOLWiki via [[GoogleSearch]]
|-
! PyMOL
| PyMOL is known to work under Mac OS X 10+ (Snow Leopard) using the new Fink and incentive builds.  See [[MAC_Install#PyMOL_Install_from_Source.2C_Using_Fink|Installing PyMOL under Fink]].
|-
! PyMOL
| PyMOL now has a [[Set]] command for basic settings, and a [[Set_bond]] command for bond-only settings.
|-
! PyMOL
| [[Space]]&mdash; new command to control PyMOL's usage of color spaces.
|}
|style="vertical-align: top; width: 40%"|
{| class="jtable" style="float: right; width: 90%"
|+ style="font-size: 1.4em; font-weight: bold; text-align:left; border-bottom: 2px solid #6678b1;" |Do you know this PyMOL command...
|-
|<div class="didyouknow" >
<dpl>
namespace=
category=Commands
includepage=*
includemaxlength=300
escapelinks=false
resultsheader=__NOTOC__ __NOEDITSECTION__
randomcount=1
mode=userformat
addpagecounter=true
listseparators=,<h3>[[%PAGE%]]</h3>,,\n
</dpl>
</div>
<div style="clear: both;"></div>
|}
|
|style="vertical-align: top; width: 18%"|
<dpl>
imagecontainer=Covers
randomcount=1
escapelinks=false
openreferences=true
listseparators=[[,%PAGE%,|thumb|185px|A Random PyMOL-generated Cover.  See [[Covers]].]],\n
</dpl>
|}

Latest revision as of 09:53, 24 March 2016

New

  • Due to wiki code (or my inability) I couldn't get images to float left/right in the table w/o it looking really ugly. So, if someone can get say the Colorama example to float right and look good, please do.
  • Let me know if you like the updates to the main page. I like it because it utilizes more of the screen real estate. Thus, no scrolling (for me). If you can clean it up, and make it prettier, feel free. Tree 17:08, 9 December 2007 (CST)
  • So, I found out, finally, why it's been hard to find things. Category pages aren't scanned for keywords for searching. So, we'll need to move our category pages' text to new pages and make the links. For example, searching for "mencoder" didn't work before today. Since I moved [[:Category:Software_Movies]] to Making_Movies we can now search for the keywords in that page.
  • Well, one idiot/spammer made it through the new system. If there's an influx of the idiots, we may go back to the old registration method, as that seemed pretty secure.
  • Feature Request: Support for 3D DLP and plasma HDTVs. These require a different stereo output format (checkerboard.) Feel free to contact me for details. --Martyholloway 17:46, 30 May 2008 (CDT)

Some Thoughts For Discussion

  • Folks, please check out the section MediaWiki Image Galleries for cleaning up the code for inserting more than one image. This fixes the problem of having to insert tons of blank lines to cleanly offset the following text. So, if you have some time, please head back to old pages and help clean this up.
  • We need to accurately document settings for PyMol. This would greatly improve the value of the site. We should also provide images and examples.
  • For people (like me) who don't know the first thing about Wiki's, more "newbies click here to learn" links would help ease the transition...


Where is the anti-spam mechanism/strategy?

Manual removing spam contents really sucks.


Edit by AdShea One good strategy is to search all namespaces for 'http' (without the quotes). This will show links containing that string, which should catch any spam links.

Needed Editing

Needed edits are the following:

  1. We need more thorough "See Also" sections on each page. Mesh shows what each page should look like. People need to be able to find their content easily.
    1. After some playing with this, I think we should create categories for each SET of settings. Like, "surface_settings" and then just put all the surface settings in there. Then, we can simply link out to this page and it'll change dynamically with the settings.
  2. We need to continue linking categories to their respective pages.
  3. More images should be uploaded for the settings changes so people can see what the settings do as well as read how to control them.

Searching

The default method for searching, eg hitting ENTER, should be the "Search" command not the "Go" command.

  • The search function is abysmal. If I type in "shadow" I get nothing. If I go to google and type in "site:pymolwiki.org shadow" I get both of the pages for ray-trace shadows which is what I wanted ("Ray Shadow" and "Ray Shadows"). I assume that there are two entries because of the poor search function. Just do what Wikipedia does and offer a google search of the site if the search function comes up empty-handed (Wikipedia does search the text of it's articles correctly but the google offer includes all languages). MortenGroftehauge (talk) 14:53, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

New Format

Code for the new page



Welcome to the PyMOL Wiki!
The community-run support site for the PyMOL molecular viewer.
Quick Links
Tutorials Table of Contents Commands
Script Library Plugins FAQ
Gallery | Covers PyMOL Cheat Sheet (PDF) GoogleSearch


News & Updates
Warren News about Warren DeLano's passing may be read on Warren's memorial page.
PyMOLWiki Reformatted Main Page.
PyMOLWiki New — Search the PyMOLWiki via GoogleSearch
PyMOL PyMOL is known to work under Mac OS X 10+ (Snow Leopard) using the new Fink and incentive builds. See Installing PyMOL under Fink.
PyMOL PyMOL now has a Set command for basic settings, and a Set_bond command for bond-only settings.
PyMOL Space— new command to control PyMOL's usage of color spaces.
Do you know this PyMOL command...

Ray

ray creates a ray-traced image of the current frame.
Varying settings to play with rendering options

Details

This command is used to make high-resolution photos fit for publication and formal movies. Please note, the ray command can take some ..→

A Random PyMOL-generated Cover. See Covers.