https://pymolwiki.org/index.php?title=CMYK&feed=atom&action=historyCMYK - Revision history2024-03-29T13:15:58ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.7https://pymolwiki.org/index.php?title=CMYK&diff=8466&oldid=prevKaro at 11:12, 9 September 20102010-09-09T11:12:57Z<p></p>
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</table>Karohttps://pymolwiki.org/index.php?title=CMYK&diff=4341&oldid=prevInchoate at 22:46, 2 November 20072007-11-02T22:46:46Z<p></p>
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</table>Inchoatehttps://pymolwiki.org/index.php?title=CMYK&diff=3273&oldid=prevInchoate at 13:25, 23 August 20052005-08-23T13:25:21Z<p></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">====Response to Comment 1====</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unless you have calibrated hardware for both display and printer, you are definitely ''not far better off getting the RGB image out of pymol to look just the way you want it to''. Instead, you are far better off avoiding areas of RGB color space that are difficult or impossible to handle without professional-grade color hardware, and that is the sole task PyMOL's CMYK capability is designed to help you with.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unless you have calibrated hardware for both display and printer, you are definitely ''not far better off getting the RGB image out of pymol to look just the way you want it to''. Instead, you are far better off avoiding areas of RGB color space that are difficult or impossible to handle without professional-grade color hardware, and that is the sole task PyMOL's CMYK capability is designed to help you with.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Inchoatehttps://pymolwiki.org/index.php?title=CMYK&diff=1042&oldid=prevInchoate at 13:15, 23 August 20052005-08-23T13:15:55Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">CMYK is a device</del>-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">dependent colour space, i</del>.<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">e. the colour that is chosen </del>to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">match to a particular RGB colour depends on the machine it is going </del>to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">be printed on (and hence the inks that </del>will be <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">used in the printing). Therefore there </del>is <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">no one</del>-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">to</del>-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">one mapping of CMYK values to RGB values (even with a profile defining how the RGB values should be displayed)</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">===Value===</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In the real world, scientists do not have time or resources to mess with color profiles and color</ins>-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">calibrated hardware</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> They simply want </ins>to <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">go from screen </ins>to <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">hardcopy knowing their colors </ins>will <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">not </ins>be <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">grossly distorted by their hardware, which </ins>is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">often consumer</ins>-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">grade, non</ins>-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">calibrated equipment</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Though CMYK is indeed device-dependent, there are some color regions that, *in practice*, are more problematic than others when printing from an RGB source. If you stick to safer regions of RGB space that are pragmatically captured through PyMOL's "CMYK" space command, then you will get closer to a WYSIWYG experience even in the absense of calibration.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Since PyMol's idea </del>of <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">CMYK </del>is <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">so limited (</del>and <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">from a </del>printer'<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">s point of view probably shouldn</del>'<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">t even exist) you are </del>far better off getting the RGB</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">On the other hand, blithely working in RGB space and then relying upon automatic RGB->CMYK color translations in the *absense* </ins>of <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">color calibration for both display and printer almost always results in unacceptably poor color quality, and that </ins>is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the practical real-world issue facing PyMOL users.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>image out of pymol to look just the way you want it to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">(assuming a calibrated display </del>and <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">approprate colour profile) and then use a full-featured converter to generate </del>the <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">appropriate </del>CMYK <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">image for the device it </del>is <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">going </del>to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">be printed on. One suggestion for a converter is GIMP (soon to be renamed something else) because it does know how to use/respect ICC profiles</del>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Unless you have calibrated hardware for both display </ins>and printer<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, you are definitely </ins>''<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">not </ins>far better off getting the RGB image out of pymol to look just the way you want it to<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">''. Instead, you are far better off avoiding areas of RGB color space that are difficult or impossible to handle without professional-grade color hardware, </ins>and <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">that is </ins>the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">sole task PyMOL's </ins>CMYK <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">capability </ins>is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">designed </ins>to <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">help you with</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Activating CMYK In PyMol ==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Activating CMYK In PyMol ==</div></td></tr>
</table>Inchoatehttps://pymolwiki.org/index.php?title=CMYK&diff=1041&oldid=prevInchoate at 13:05, 23 August 20052005-08-23T13:05:41Z<p></p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>== Introduction ==<br />
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CMYK is a device-dependent colour space, i.e. the colour that is chosen to match to a particular RGB colour depends on the machine it is going to be printed on (and hence the inks that will be used in the printing). Therefore there is no one-to-one mapping of CMYK values to RGB values (even with a profile defining how the RGB values should be displayed).<br />
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<br />
Since PyMol's idea of CMYK is so limited (and from a printer's point of view probably shouldn't even exist) you are far better off getting the RGB<br />
image out of pymol to look just the way you want it to (assuming a calibrated display and approprate colour profile) and then use a full-featured converter to generate the appropriate CMYK image for the device it is going to be printed on. One suggestion for a converter is GIMP (soon to be renamed something else) because it does know how to use/respect ICC profiles.<br />
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== Activating CMYK In PyMol ==<br />
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Select<br />
Display -> Color Space -> CMYK<br />
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Please read the above note about color spaces, too.</div>Inchoate